When President Olusegun Obasanjo was still a candidate, he promised
to give women major roles in his government. In fact he went further by
committing himself to setting aside 30 percent of the positions in his
administration for women.
Although he has not achieved his targets in this area, the president has
certainly given some high profile jobs to women in his government. A case in
point is Dr. Kema Chikwe, who as Minister of Transport heads one of the most
sought after departments in government.
This ministry supervises some of the largest and most strategic parastatals
in the land. It also oversees some of the most sickly and problematic ones. For
instance it is her brief to sort out the likes of Nigeria Railways, Nigeria
Ports Authority (NPA), Nigeria Maritime Authority (NMA), Nigeria Unity Line
(NUL), Nigerian National Shipping Line(NNSL)(which is in liquidation)- just to
name a few.
The strategic nature of her brief can only be interpreted in two ways. One
is that it is a measure of the president’s resolve not to make women marginal
players in the cabinet. Secondly, it could be taken as an implicit expression
of faith in her abilities as a manager and leader, that she has been entrusted
with overseeing some of the parastatals that have defied the ministrations of
some of the best and most experienced managers in the land.
In her present capacity, Dr. Chikwe has chalked up a historic first. She is
the first woman to head this huge ministry. But proud as she is of this
achievement, she is quick to de-emphasise the gender factor- arguing that this
factor has not won her any concessions from a hard-driving president who is
only interested in performance. And so she has thrown herself into her brief
with zeal.
But not everyone is enamoured of her performance. Almost from day one of her
stay in the ministry, she has had to fight her way through to get things done.
In the process she has been trailed by all manner of controversies. She has
been embroiled in a media row with accusers who say she spent several tens of
millions doing up her official residence. Some others say hardly a month passes
without her visiting the ports in Lagos- wondering why she is paying so much
attention to the ports to the detriment of the other parastatals under the
ministry.
There has also been talk that she is difficult to work with having quarreled
or disagreed with some of the top functionaries whom she inherited at the
ministry.
Dr. Chikwe became minister courtesy of the fact that she is a politician. In
Imo state from where she hails, she is one of the party’s most prominent
leaders and was a founding member in the state. Even in this role as a
politician, controversy has dogged her footsteps. She has been caught in the
very bitter struggle with the state governor, Chief Achike Udenwa, over power
sharing in the state Peoples Democratic Party(PDP)- especially over the
question of who gets to be chairman of the party in the state. So bitter has
the row been that her opponents have accused her of nursing gubernatorial
ambitions with an eye on the year 2003.
Late on Friday a unique opportunity presented itself for the minister to
address some of these contentious issues which have dogged her steps over the
past few months. Accompanied by some of the chief executive officers of
parastatals under her ministry, she came calling at THISDAY corporate
headquarters where she was hosted by the board of editors.
In this interview she addresses the controversies surrounding her role in
the Imo state PDP as well as the perception in certain quarters that she was
difficult to work with. She revealed how as minister she is subjected to subtle
blackmail almost on a daily basis by people with agendas different from her’s.
She spoke extensively about her vision for the ministry under her watch, and
shed light on the nature of port reforms being executed. The problematic
railways and the other sick parastatals also came under review.
The minister who is a grandmother with three grandchildren also speaks on
the difficulties of juggling the roles of wife, mother and minister. Excerpts:
Why is there so much controversy around you and so much trouble in your
ministry? I do not know about any trouble in my ministry. Because I go to
work, I go into any office, and I deal with issues I should deal with. The
situation I met when I assumed office is one that required radical changes. And
if you are going to apply such radical changes in the situation we found
ourselves, you are bound to generate controversies. But if the controversies
are such that in the long run the public and not individuals benefits, then we
are prepared to accept the dent. But I think there is a wrong notion that in
the transport ministry we are sitting on the wealth of the nation, that there
is so much money to pick up. I can assure you that it is not the way some
people see it. So if there is any kind of problems there it must be that some
people have some wrong idea that in it there is money they can get. And
these people looking for money at the ministry are not people sharing in the
new Nigerian dream.
We hear you are a very quarrelsome person. You quarrel with your permanent
secretary, in fact you are fond of quarreling with your subordinates, not only
within the ministry alone but also within your party. What do you say to all
these?
Am glad you are bringing out these issues. First of all, I came into this
position as a politician and a politician from a political party, which has a
manifesto and a vision for this country. And I had to apply myself to what was
promised this nation. And if in my ministry I have people who do not share the
view of the change, it’s a problem. The basic thing is that they thought it
will be business as usual. I am not a quarrelsome person. People who are not my
friends are people who are dishonest, people who are not hardworking, people
who are lazy and have personal agenda. But I’m happy I have a new permanent
secretary and he finds me a wonderful person. The important thing is that he
himself is hardworking. He complements my own personality and I complement his
and we have drawn a programme for ourselves. And we also set ourselves to
achieve the goals. I have goals .I’m a focused person. The first shock I had,
the first problem I had was that the contracts at the Nigerian Railway were
being awarded from the ministry. So many of the beneficiaries were people
there. We cannot award railway contracts from the ministry, I said it was
unacceptable to me. No agreement of any of the contracts was made public. They
were like personal properties .I did not see the contract of the Chinese
projects months after I assumed office. When I started getting reports that
where are these agreements, the answer was shoddy. I insisted because you
cannot have an institution within an institution. People cannot tell you the
truth people w ere hiding facts from you. I. There was a time they hid files.
There was a time they hid 50 files and pretended that 50 files were missing
.And were asking my personal assistant and on the long run when I threatened to
prosecute whoever had the files they came out. And when you look at all the 50
files, they border on contracts.
This is the sort of thing I am talking about. People come to you to say ‘I
want to be your adviser.’ I told one you are too young to advise me. And they
will go around saying all sorts. I am being blackmailed everyday.
Secondly, the relationship between the ministries and parastatals matters to
me .You cannot control the parastatals from the ministry. All my managing
directors will tell you I don’t know anything about the contracts they award. I
called all my managing directors and said to them, ‘look I give you the
opportunity to operate, I’m not going to start asking you how you do your work.
I’m not going to allow the ministry to control you because of what they can get
out of you, which is what people I had before wanted to do.’ I have my direct
relationship with them because I have my own programme. I told them my
programme and I pursue my programme. I told them that if you take government
property to known friends or whatever, you are liable. And that is the
situation.
There in my state, I was a founding member of my party. I joined the party
when it had no name. I was in the contract and mobilization committee. I was on
the National Executive representing my state. I worked for my party. I did
everything that anybody can do in that party. The problem is I was not
nominated for ministerial position by my state and I know I deserve to work
with them. I didn’t go about lobbying to be minister let alone the minister of
transport. But as far as I know, it’s a divine intervention and that is why I
take it that I am on a mission.
The problem in my state is very simple, it’s not personal to me. I have
never had a personal disagreement with anybody, I’ve never even had any
argument with anybody, but just the principle that I practice. We zoned
positions, governor to Orlu, deputy governor to Okigwe, chairman of the party
to my zone. Owerri zone, my zone voted about 85 per cent to win any election,
including the gubernatorial election. The people who actually financed the
party and worked hard for the party are Greg Mbadiwe, Humphery Anumedu and
Rogers Okorocha. We worked to achieve that victory. We had a state congress. I
did not even want to go. But my people called me. They said look the governor
has removed the chairmanship from Owerri zone. But you know I am representing a
people so I had to rush home that Saturday morning. If I wanted to quarrel or
make trouble with anybody, I would have started earlier on in time.
When I got there I went to the party secretariat, nothing happened. I asked
the chairman and he said the governor had given a result a night before the
congress. I said how can this happen? And he said to me this is what we are
suffering. I went to the stadium where the congress was supposed to be taking
place, everywhere was locked up and people were outside. I said if this is the
way you people are playing your own politics, I’m going back to Abuja. At
1.00pm while the people were all outside in the hot sun the former chairman,
Chief I.D Nwoga called me and said they were going for a meeting at the
government house. But I said I asked you people and you said the governor went
to Lagos. Apparently he was in. Then the young men who went to conduct the
primaries came to my place and gave me a copy of the result that was submitted
without any complaints. At that time I did not want to bother myself but to go.
It was when we went to this meeting I said to the governor and asked him two
questions. You spent sometime in Lagos before this thing why didn’t you talk
with me? I said I heard anyway that you said I was irrelevant. And then what
about Enwerem(Senator Evan) I heard you said he should come to meet you in
Owerri. I said it was not fair. He is an old man. The first person the governor
disgraced after all he did for him was the former chairman, Chief I.D Nwoga. He
said he did that because Nwoga allowed Owerri people protest because the
governor was removing Owerri people from office .So you did not trust him and
you disgraced him on television. You said all sorts of things against him. I
said these are old men. You will kill them,you’ll make them have stroke. They
worked for this party. He said anyway we should go ahead with the meeting, He
said there should be five people from each zone. But there were six people from
Orlu zone, six people from Okigwe zone and we from Owerri zone we were five.
For five hours we said what are you trying to prove to the Owerri people it is
unfair. To remove the party chairmanship from the zone it means they are no
longer in the caucus of the party. I asked by the way while did you lock these
people out from the congress meeting. He said they were mainly thugs. But I
said to him politics goes with thugs so what was wrong with that. So it is not
enough reason to lock people out in the scorching sun. Finally I said to him
that I noticed the people from Orlu zone are speaking more that the people from
Okigwe zone. I said they should leave us alone since they said it was people
from Okigwe zone versus people from Owerri zone. Let us discuss this issue and
resolve it. And Okigwe conceded they said we should give them the next national
office of the party we said okay. We should give them the next national
chairmanship, we said okay. We should give them the executive position, we said
okay we agree.
Now that the governor had agreed to leave the chairmanship of the party to
Owerri, you could see it was obviously him alone.I picked my bag and wanted to
go, he said no. Chief Nwoga and Dr. Ugo said to him, let us go home and hold a
meeting of the Owerri zone. You see in politics when they zone anything to your
zone, people normally meet to bring out somebody. He said no. He told us he is
interested in knowing who becomes the chairman of the party and that it is here
or never. We said no you are treating us like children. Enwerem who is one of
those who founded our party in the state was not invited to that meeting.
Anyway, the long and short of it was that I told him this exercise we are doing
is wrong, we should bring the elders of the party to this meetings he said no.
Any way, when we came back. we told the governor that we have nominated chief
Mike Ahamba and Barrister Soromnaju for him to choose one. He refused. But we
asked him, is Ahamba not your lawyer at the tribunal. He refused.He said he
would put it to vote. I said how can you put it to vote because already Owerri
zone is handicapped, we are only four. Okigwe and Orlu had held their meeting
together. So you see, he just picked people who would agree with him. Then I
refused to vote, and that is the crime I committed up till today. I said on
principle, this was not democratic, then I left. In fact, I sent for my husband
and some leaders of the party in Owerri zone. I consulted them, they said I
should not vote. So when I left the following day, Owerri zone met and then
nominated P.C. Onuoha, who I was not even originally supporting .After that,
the governor was the person who reported me everywhere in Abuja. Everywhere we
went, he was told he was wrong. They gave the chairmanship to P.C Onuoha the
governor said he would not agree. He kept on the disagreement. At a stage,
Solomon Lar told him this lady is an upright person. When Chief Gemade came in,
he started fighting again. Finally, we held the last peace meeting, and
harmonized our lists. What happened was that he had his own list and Owerri
people had their own list. One thing is certain, I’m not a quarrelsome person.
He is the one using government machinery to carry out propaganda against m e…
He now goes to tell people that I want to contest the governship position. I
don’t have that ambition. If I wanted to contest for the govnorship of Imo
state, I would have had it on a platter of gold. I was a privileged member of
that party by virtue of my position. I never told anybody I wanted that
position, neither then nor in the future. I never nurse that ambition.
What are your visions, focus, programmes and dreams for the transport
ministry?.
I run a very big ministry in the transport sector which is charged with the
responsibility of the maritime transportation, the rail and the land transport
policy .In the rail sector, when I assumed office, the way I saw the railway
was totally unacceptable to me, and when you think of how much that has been
invested in the railway system in the past ten years, the trains were hardly
running anywhere. Our first challenge was to change the management of the
railway first and foremost. The people that were changed did not like it. They
are fighting us till tomorrow. They wanted to keep their jobs. But they just
could not fit into what we were trying to do for the railway. What is important
to me is to render efficiency at the railway. I have designed a program to
convert what we have now from the narrow gauge to the standard gauge, and then,
the expansion programme. The present rail system was designed very many years
ago- colonial days. Our expansion programmes include the east-west railine, the
Lagos-Abuja, and then Kano-Katsina rail lines. But the conversion programmes;
the report we have does not see the present lines carrying speed . So we must
have tracks that can carry speed. Then, infrastructural planning should be a
century’s affair. What we have now has been there for almost a century. So
whatever we are planning now, must be able to endure till the next century. I
have a problem with the world bank’s recommendation that advised me to retain
the narrow gauge. But I have said no, it is government’s policy to convert to
standard gauge and we are committed to it. I said to them, what is wrong with
modernizing our railways the way you have modernized yours. For now, my target
is to convert the present narrow gauge to standard gauge. The important thing
is to maintain what we have now in order to maintain services. I will not talk
as if I am dreaming. What we are talking about involves money, that is why we
are talking about the privatization programme of the railways. We have had some
interested investors come. But for some of them, what they demand is not
acceptable to us. They write good proposals, but they want you to pay like $31
million of $54 million to them for the study. With that kind of amount, I can
do Kano-Kaduna. So I tell them, you must also show me proof of funds to build
the tracks before I can talk seriously with you.
I have another problem- the abuse of railway property. Railway has enough
property which if professionally harnessed, will assist me fund a lot of the
programmes. I intend to do that.
For maritime, the port reform programme has been quite topical and generated
a lot of controversies. But my vision is to accomplish the various port reforms
already stated by my administration- modermize the maritime policies and then
render the maritime sector more efficient so that we get it more busy than it’s
working now. I must tell you something, when we assumed office, we did not have
24 hours operations but that is possible now.
The problems of our ports are myriad, we cannot solve them overnight. The
important thing is that our vision is to make our ports user-friendly and to
generate more revenue through the front door, and not to let it end up at
individuals’ pockets.
What am trying to do is to modernize our transport sector, render the
institutions more efficient and productive.
We heard that you are having running battles with the customs and other
agencies that operate at the port. The question is, can you really reform the
ports without those agencies working for you? Secondly, your ministry is full
of those parastatals that really should be privatized, and save government the
resources for running them. How many are going to be privatised, how many more
will you recommend? Why should the ports not be privatized?.
We are working harmoniously with the customs, the only thing is that we have
decided to let every agency solve its own problems. But if the problem of one
agency is going to affect another, then the agency must highlight it so that it
can be addressed. We set up an inter ministerial committee on port reforms. All
the agencies were represented in that committee. They had frank contributions
to themselves. The committee was chaired by the customs boss. We are working
towards the implementation of the reports. There is no controversy at all.
Can you address the issue of privatization?
We should actually be assuming a status of landlord status and this is the
direction we are working to. Because of lack of information, people often
criticise the whole concept of privatisation. But the truth is that sometimes,
privatization could even be better off. Look for instance what Dangote is
doing at the port. He is employing so many people. So if you conceptualise the
functions at the port, the private investors are bound to employ people. The
only thing is that they are going to employ people who are going to work, not
people who are coming to cause trouble at the port. So what we are going to do
is to privatise the ports so that invariably we are going to have the ports
functional. That is not to say every thing would be privatized. There are
certain roles the NPA will play. We are not going to say that the private
investors will manage NPA. Not at all. NPA will be there. They will act,
regulate, monitor and supervise.
The inland waterways has a problem too. If we are to capitalise inland
waterway its going to be a problem. So we are talking with an investor now.
What we want to do for instance is, you are empowered to purchase a vessel, the
bank will give you the credit. That is something we are trying to manage for
inland waterways. We are discussing with them. If it works out, it will be very
happy because we have great inland waterways to be exploited.
What is the actual contract term with the Chinese you brought to
rehabilitate our railways. You also talked about changing from regular nail
track to high free track line. Do you also put into consideration the nature of
our power supply. because there be must a power supply?.
What I said was faster train. I said standard guage has already been
introduced. You know the Itakpe- Ajaokuta -Warri. So its already on standard
guage. So the track in this case matters, because some countries like South
Africa uses narrow guage and some other African countries do. But the things is
what we are looking for is already down here. We are talking about improving
the speed for now. I am not encouraged. The impression I got when I assumed
office was that you can get to Abuja from Lagos in two months.
Talking about the speed of the trains, can’t you use gas to power a fast
train between Lagos and Abuja. You can use gas in Lagos, you have gas on the
way.
I am a realist-if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. These things you
are talking about are quite extraneous to the issue.
And I am not responsible for the gas you are talking about. I am not
responsible for the diesel. We are talking about infrastructure development. If
other people are responsible for them, I can’t commit myself on what would be
provided by another person.
What you should say is that the track should be able to carry at least the
fast train. One of the problems we have is that the tracks are single lane
ones. So it’s important that we do double lane or triple lanes so that within
the next century, we may be able to use what we have now.
You see you have to crawl before you stand, and stand before you walk .We
are talking about our power supply and we are talking about such speed and
don’t forget our topography. I mean I won’t like to take that risk during my
time.I would gradually get to that land of speed.
The Chinese contract was one of the problems I encountered when we assumed
office. The report I got was that the contract has been has been realised to
about 87.5%. It was like faith accomplish and they have been paid to that
amount. Not just realised in the sense of working. So government took a
decision to complete it at least for services to continue. But the truth is
that the contract has not achieved what we would like it to achieve in the real
sector.
When we got to office we found that the contract money has been paid and we
were left with no option, because they have paid for it. Even if everything is
wrong now, I accept it the way it is. But I doubt that I will because we are
also trying to evaluate what they have done.
A lot of contracts were awarded without referring to me and signed for the
minister.
Indeed the contracts are a big problem I can tell I will say anything except
to rectifying this. Concerning the Chinese the we are going to do our best.
Many of the locomotive are already bad.
We have problems with coaches and wagons. This is actually what I inherited
and it is not easy at all. We are now trying to see how we can rehabilitate the
coaches, wagon and locomotives. I never blamed the Chinese never, blamed them.
What have you done specially to deal with piracy and ‘wharf’ rats at the
ports?
We are at the moment taking very serious security at the ports. We are going
to concentrate at the gate in future so only people who have business in the
port would be allowed in at the gate.
Concerning the Dock labour decree, government has no business with that
registering dockworkers. So long as government is registering them directly,
government is liable. What we should be trying to do is to get specialized
companies to handle the registration. How they are registered will be left to
the Dock labour board, not the government. The Dock labour board will also give
them the requirements.
Democracy will be one year old in Nigeria this month. In the time you have
been a minister how has the journey been?
I enjoy the challenges of my job. As you know I am basically an
intellectual. The first thing I did was to design a frame work so that you make
it easy for yourself. So when I came into the office, I designed a framework-
my strengths, the direction, how to go about it. When I came in the problem was
so much and I thought I should be gathering them and solving them. One day I
was discussing with the president- as an experienced man, he said to me
‘minister, if I were you , I will take it one after the other’. I said’ yes
sir, thank you very much’. I took on the suggestion.
I have been moving from parastatal to parastatal. We’ve laid a very good
background and I think the result of what we have done will begin to manifest
in the next few months. We have done quite a few things, things that make us
happy. The fact that the ports are improving makes us happy, the fact that we
have done this NACFAC programme makes us happy. The fact that I have offers
makes us happy. Infact very soon I will be receiving books to equip the
academy.
Let me also comment on being woman the first woman (Transport) minister. I
appreciate it because I was in the forefront of women empowerment through the
National Council of Women’s Societies (NCWS), women opinion leaders. I assisted
with women of my era.
One thing you must understand is that in this job, the gender factor does
not come in, because the President has never treated me as a woman. What he
expects from any minister of transport is what he expects from me. No excuses.
I cannot give him the excuse that my husband said I should come. Even though my
daughter was going to have a baby in the hospital, I had to travel on tour. I
was used to enjoy moving about with my husband every day. I feel very sorry for
him, but he has been very understanding. There is no way I can be Minister of
Transport and pay him the kind of attention I was paying before. I have also
learnt that this type of job is better for people like me whose children are
already grown up and can look after themselves. My first two children are
married. The third one is 21, she will marry sometime early next year. The last
one is 17 and I can cope because I have a small family.
Second, I am very spiritual. It has helped me so much. And I never fail to
say that I have been spiritually directed,. I am very honest about my own
spiritual life, and I think it has been a beneficial factor. That is why in the
face of doubt and so on, I feel very strong, provided I am doing the right
thing. As far as I am concerned I am on a mission.